Hi Olivier,
after reading this for background information:
http://www.nagios-fr.org/2010/02/accuse ... evez-vous/
(scroll down for the English email conversation)
I'm deeply annoyed how communi...cation happens this time.
Olivier JAN wrote:
>
> It's an alarm call that is raised : after a long period where people
> began to think nagios is a dead foss project, we nearly reach a point
> of no return : the author try to gag on the community because it's to
> free!!
>
> Let's get back to the facts : Nagios is still the reference in the
> open source monitoring tools, and some serious challengers like Zabbix
> or Zenoss try to reach its place. In the open source world, and
> especially the monitoring one, the real strength is not in code lines,
> but in the community around the project. You know the Nagios one has
> been a great one during years. Meanwhile, since two years, the lack of
> presence and answer from Ethan to proposals from the community
> legitimately irritate the community. As much as a fork, named Icinga,
> arisen a year ago.
Ethan's work on the core and also to mention the addons, was and is
really nice. The way things are going this time, is not good, but with
different behavior community and developers and Ethan might have a
"come2gether" again. But yeah, I am a bit shocked about those emails and
sorry to mention that, "communism thoughts".
>
> Where the story became complex is when we look at the economic sphere
> around Nagios. Like a lot of foss that grow a lot, and after have
> given more than 8 years of it's time to Nagios, he legitimately create
> a support enterprise behind it, "Nagios Enterprise". The Icinga fork
> came from community members that are also employees of another society
> that supports Nagios : Netways. If the GPLv2 license of Nagios was
> respected, it seems more like a business fork than a foss one for the
> nagios author. That had irritate Nagios author and the major part of
> the community have stay in the Nagios project.
Let me rephrase - I am NOT affiliated in any way to Netways. I am
working on behalf of the University of Vienna on Icinga Core and
IDOUtils Postgres/Oracle and I am adding my knowledge to this fresh and
active project.
From our point of view, the now closed NDOUtils Oracle have been
migrated back to upstream (1.0.1 will have full improved Oracle
support). Furthermore, many hold back patches and improvements can be
committed. Good for the community, and we get testing and feedback. Just
the way open source is meant to be.
We appreciate the help by Netways for server costs and providing
development resources. And it is of course a "give and take" situation
just like we have.
> Unfortunately, this story have a side effect : we are thinking Ethan
> began to turn against the community, and this open spirit that allow
> this fork, by ignore even more the community and refuse to answer to
> code enhancement proposals.
> Last but not least affront : he ask the DNS entry of the French nagios
> community site (http://www.nagios-fr.org) to be give to him so he can
> raised a new community, more corporate : in this site we can see some
> posts about the felon (but open source and nagios relative) Icinga
> project! This fork seem to have finally more cut Ethan author and the
> community than the community into two parts.
Why hand over the DNS entry? Which law would fit there - French against
US? For what reason ... because it's nagios-*.org not nagios.fr. Which
is already owned by Nagios Enterprises of course looking at the whois.
Will this be a neverending story then? Should I register
nagios-community.at, talk about Icinga and then get asked to hand that
over? Sorry, but I don't get it.
And reading on the fact, that nagios-fr.org is being sued for posting
Icinga updates on their websites - WTF? So I as a user within a given
numbers of nagios related boards and mailinglists am not allowed to
mention Icinga (ups, I just did) in any way related to Nagios? Sorry,
but what's wrong with you people?
> That's the last straw for a community who want to be as
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